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South Carolina RIvers and Dredging?
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Freddie Beck
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12 Sep 2016 04:02 PM

    Just wondering who to contact regarding small 4 inch or less dredging in the main rivers of South Carolina and how to go about doing so legally. The main rivers I am wanting to know about are the Broad, Saluda, Little Saluda, And Tiger, ok and any other rivers for that matter. If the river travels thru private property on both sides, is it legal to prospecting in the river itself without permission (what some people call no mans land : 3 feet from the banks). Just wondering what are the regulations and rules on it or who to contact to ask those questions to. also are permits required. just a small time weekend prospector looking to get answers that I cant find on my own.

    Freddie Beck

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    ARTHUR WAUGH
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    13 Sep 2016 03:29 PM
    Not knowing how yur state is set up, try contacting the state fish and wildlife dept, state minerals/geology dept or enviornmental quality dept. One of those shoulkd be able to point you in the right direction.
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    21 Sep 2016 09:05 AM
    Arthur,
    Thanks for the heads up on who to contact. I will begin with emailing each of them to see who says what. I will post my findings if I get any response back from any of them concerning this. I'm sure I am not the only one in good ol' South Carolina who wonders these things. Like I said I just want to do it ethically and legally.
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    21 Sep 2016 09:23 AM
    Freddie,
    Just a heads up. In SC DHEC is who I have had to deal with in the past on matters concerning the Oconee property. During my last trip DHEC is seemingly pushing a lot off onto DNR. DNR in turn is working very well with folks in providing information. I would start with DNR to verify particular water channels in SC if you will be there. In NC follow the chain of who is in charge of particular water ways and start at the top if possible.
    I would also suggest that a phone call followed up with an email is a better channel for contact. Get to the right person on the phone and follow up with an overview email of the conversation. This goes a long way in reminding officials that you are in this for the long run.
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    21 Sep 2016 09:27 AM
    Kevin,
    Thank you so much. This will definitely help. I have a few friends that work for DNR so will be giving them a call to find out who I need to talk with specifically on it. Again thanks for your and Team Endeavors work on both the Oconee and Vein Mountain LDMA sites. They look amazing.
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    28 Sep 2016 09:16 AM
    Kevin/South Carolina Prospectors Below is a letter I received from DHEC after contacting them about dredging in waterways in SC. also below the letter is an email response from DNR after talking with them as well. After reading both looks like we are ok in the public waterways. Just sending an update on what I have found out so far. This helped clarify a lot of my questions.


    From: Ed Haigler, SC DHEC, Division of Mining and Solid Waste Management
    To: Freddie Beck, Jr.; Recreational Prospector
    Date: 9/28/16
    Subject: Recreational Gold Mining in SC

    To: Mr. Beck

    I am writing in response to your e-mail (9/27/16) concerning “recreational mining” for gold in SC rivers and streams. If you are panning or operating a small gasoline powered dredge to look for gold in SC waterways, then we consider this type of activity as "recreational mining". As of this date “recreational mining” is not regulated by the Division of Mining and Solid Waste Management, therefore does not need a mining permit from SCDHEC. No creek bank disturbance or excavation in alluvial floodplain deposits is allowed unless a mining permit is obtained.

    The Bureau of Water at SCDHEC, however, does monitor ambient surface water quality in the State's waterways, and if a recreational miner causes turbidity and/or excessive suspended sediments, they may receive a citation for violation of the Clean Water Act. The South Carolina Department of Natural Resources (DNR) conservation officers routinely patrol the larger navigational waterways.

    You may need permission from landowners before crossing land or when panning in small streams. Our agencies attorneys have advised us that the sediments at the bottom of the channel belong to the property owners flanking the waterway (where centerline of river is the property line). Although the water in the channel is considered Waters of the State, when permitting commercial dipping/dredging operations, we require the applicant to obtain land entry agreements from each landowner (i.e. property lines typically run down the center of the channel). I strongly recommend that you obtain permission from the landowners through which the waterway passes. Again, they own the mineral solids/sediment at the channel bottom in addition to access issues.

    A commercial operation with mechanized equipment (i.e. backhoe, sluices, chemical separation or treatment) would require a mine operating permit. If you were to prospect for gold and were excavating small open pit or trenches for sampling, you must obtain an exploration certificate from SCDHEC.

    DNR at one time had maps available depicting public access ramps. They may have this information on their website. DNR should also be contacted for possible seasonal restrictions.
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    Some of the National/State Forests require you to obtain a Letter of Authorization from the Ranger Station to pan for gold. If you plan to pan in waterways crossing State/Federal Park service land, you should call to check on their requirements.

    I have included information where Tennessee now has a General Permit for “Recreational Prospecting”. These parameters may be a good guide to follow (page 3, #5 addresses dredge sizes).

    Thanks,
    Ed Haigler
    SCDHEC-Mining & Reclamation Program
    803-898-1375



    Hi Mr. Beck,

    Your questions were forwarded to me, and I’ll try to answer as best as I can. Let me start with a blanket statement about gold mining in South Carolina. Because Sumter National Forest is one of the biggest areas, I’ll begin with it. Only panning is allowed in the forest, no mechanized equipment is allowed. You also need a permit, but they’re free. You may get a permit at the local forest offices. That leaves private land. As long as you have permission, you’re free to do most anything you want to do; however, size matters. At some point, if your areal footprint exceeds a certain size, then you become a mine, and you will need to go through DHEC’s permitting process. We are not a regulatory agency, so the final say on rules and regs should come from DHEC. Here is a link to their mining section: http://www.scdhec.gov/Env...iningandReclamation/ As you will see, even they are rather broad in their interpretations. The only concern we would have, and DHEC, is the impact mechanized equipment would have on streams and rivers. As long as turbidity effects are kept to a minimum and none of your neighbors complain, then you should be ok. As for your question on what constitutes public waters, my understanding is that if it’s navigable, it’s public. But what constitutes navigable? Again, it’s best to get permission of the land owner. I hope this answers your questions. If you have additional questions or would like more information, let me know.

    regards,

    Scott
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    S.C. Dept Natural Resources
    Geological Survey
    5 Geology Road
    Columbia, SC 29212
    803-896-7712
    www.dnr.sc.gov/geology/
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    28 Sep 2016 10:07 AM
    Excellent Freddie! Print and keep the email with you at all times.
    Freddie Beck
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    28 Sep 2016 10:22 AM
    I already have made 2 copies of each and am laminating one right now. not sure if any of it could possibly help us in getting Oconee opened back up but wanted to make sure you and the rest of the LDMA/GPAA members what I know. Knowledge is everything.
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    28 Sep 2016 10:56 AM
    Perfect. On the individual side this will not help or hinder what I am working on with Oconee. The state has made a couple of demands that if giving into will slow progress for years to come. That is my issue to deal with. In the meantime, get out there and start dredging.

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    Freddie Beck
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    28 Sep 2016 11:21 AM
    I plan on it. Again thank you for everything you do in helping us keep our rights.
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