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The Finest of flour gold, lots of it, but how to process?
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Benjamin Crain
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10 Apr 2017 02:37 PM

    You get a bucket of cons from dredging with Gold Hog Matting, it's black sands and flour, besides a Black Magic what do you think the best way it is to remove the super fine gold?

     

    Wayne Crowder
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    10 Apr 2017 06:12 PM
    Ben,
    I'm trying my Blue Bowl on my beach sand cons from the Gold Cube. Not started yet. I've only panned about a couple of tablespoons to test what's there and found the gold is super fine.

    This black sand cons are so fine you can only pan a tablespoon at a time. Probably mostly -100.

    So, I'm going to run the Bowl at a lower water level than recommended for -100 material, at least initially.
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    11 Apr 2017 05:20 PM
    Not familiar with Black Magic, may be the same thing.
    Have you seen or tried the large flat surface 10" x 10" area tables ?
    Uses a small amount of water on a flat surface. Has a small vial attached to move the specs across and into
    Sorry not sure how to describe this cleaning device, pretty slow process but doable
    Good friend uses one

    Low and slow with the Blue Bowl @ -100

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    11 Apr 2017 08:18 PM

    I used a Black Magic for nearly a year to separate my fines from my black sands. I would screen to -20 and run on the table, capturing my tailings. I would then screen these to -50 and run on the Black Magic, again collecting my tailings. I'm glad I saved all of my left overs. I purchased a Blue bowl and ran in three different runs, +30, -30 and -100. Not only did it separate the -100 from the black sands, the amount of gold that the Black Magic lost in the -30 to the -100 range was eye opening. The Black Magic is put away and waiting for a buyer. I'll never run anything smaller than a -20 in anything other than a Blue Bowl.

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    14 Apr 2017 06:46 PM
    James,

    I am no beginner but after watching a youtube video of the Blue Bowl is exactly what I am looking for. I have no problem panning but most of the gold we find is trapped in black sands and so fine it is impossible to separate.

    Thank you for the recommendation, myself and my partner will certainly buy one to process our fines.
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    14 Apr 2017 09:18 PM

    Benjamin,

    I was so impressed with the Blue Bowl, I decided to screen all my left overs thru a 150. The Blue Bowl separated it! The black sands left in the gold were also gold. Was it worth it? No. It was just to satisfy my curiosity. I panned for years then went to a miller table/black magic and was amazed at how much I lost panning. After the past year with the Blue Bowl, I'll never use anything else for -30 or smaller.

     

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    16 Apr 2017 10:25 AM
    I classified down to -20 about 2 gallons worth of dirt and I am shocked at the amount of visible gold I can see with the naked eye, so I am certain there is a great deal more I can't see. I am going to run it through the Black Magic and then run it through a blue bowl to see what is left.

    Luckily my partner has a Blue Bowl but has never used it and doesn't have a instruction manual. How much water do I want to run through it? I have a 12v sump pump that has a pretty good flow rate or do I need to go larger with higher pressure from something like a garden hose? All will be done in a kiddie swimming pool so if I screw it up I can run it again.

    Also, I noticed that I have a layer of blonds that wont clear off the black sands so I normally pitch them, after putting some under a 50x microscope I realized it's all gold and not blond sand like I thought, something you might want to consider when processing in the future.

    I appreciate the help from all of you, thank you, and have a happy Easter.

    Benjamin Crain
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    Wayne Crowder
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    16 Apr 2017 10:44 PM
    Ben,
    My Blue Bowl came with a 750 gph Johnson electric pump. You have to regulate the water to certain levels with a valve in the pump line.

    For 30-, you can run to the top of the rim.
    For 50- run to 1/4 inch down from the top.
    For 100-, run to 1/2 inch down.

    These levels are with material in the bowl. Note that water level will rise as there gets to be less material in the blue bowl.

    That all said, I like to run slower at first to about an inch down from the top. Then work the water up to 1/2 inch down.

    I'm thinking that if you're getting 100- or finer gold, don't go above 1/2 inch down from the top.

    Coarser material can have more material put in the bowl. 100-, only about a rounded tablespoon full.

    Hope this all helps. Google the blue bowl and you'll probably find a vendor with the full instructions online.
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    17 Apr 2017 07:19 AM
    Wayne,

    Those levels look comparable to the levels I run. Ben will find thru trial and error what it takes to clear the sands and leave the gold. A turkey baster to occasionally gently blow the line of gold from around the center to help clear the cons. Ben, one of the most important rules of the Blue Bowl is to make sure it is level. They sell a leg leveling kit online.
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    21 Apr 2017 01:34 AM
    my go to is a miller table classify down to 30 mesh and I can get 100+ mesh gold
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    21 Apr 2017 01:12 PM
    Miller Table for sure!
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    28 Apr 2017 07:59 PM
    Luckily my partner had a blue bowl and we tried to use it, what a worthless Piece of SH!t, I went back to my Black Magic that catches more platinum then gold, but it does catch both. I am not going to disclose how much fine gold we recovered but it was a lot. I have over 100lbs of material to still go through so I am going to say it was a good day on the river and the Black Magic does the trick. Make sure you put a pan below the end in the tube so it will catch the large chunks.

    PS. Make sure you carry a large caliber hand gun with you when on the river, besides bears and mountain lions, you have the two legged indigenous crack heads to deal with on occasion.
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    28 Apr 2017 08:30 PM
    Benjamin,

    Amazing that we have differing opinions of the Blue Bowl and the Black Magic. After running my cons twice on a Black Magic, I recovered a great amount of fine gold with the Blue Bowl from the already ran cons of the Black Magic. I guess I'll keep both and run cons thru both consecutively.
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    29 Apr 2017 04:28 PM
    One comment I might add.

    Someone who deals with black sand told me: put your black sand cons in the oven and heat them up. The heat changes the molecular structure and makes it easier to pan and separate the gold.

    Something to try?
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    02 May 2017 08:24 PM
    I ran about 2 gallons of fines from our dredge today, pulled a butt load of gold out, but was really surprised at the amount of mercury in the drop pan. I guess the old miners used a lot, now I am going to have to send it to a refiner to use, process, or sell it.
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